Comments on: Test Driven Development Requires Less Debugging http://www.thekua.com/atwork/2007/10/test-driven-development-requires-less-debugging/ thekua's reflections on work related topics Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:45:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Saff Squeeze: First Thoughts at Mark Needham http://www.thekua.com/atwork/2007/10/test-driven-development-requires-less-debugging/comment-page-1/#comment-35936 Saff Squeeze: First Thoughts at Mark Needham Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:51:49 +0000 http://www.thekua.com/atwork/2007/10/26/test-driven-development-requires-less-debugging/#comment-35936 [...] I'm not a fan of debugging through code and I believe if we are using TDD effectively then it should reduce the need to use the debugger. [...] [...] I’m not a fan of debugging through code and I believe if we are using TDD effectively then it should reduce the need to use the debugger. [...]

]]> By: thekua.com@work » Application logging principles http://www.thekua.com/atwork/2007/10/test-driven-development-requires-less-debugging/comment-page-1/#comment-34718 thekua.com@work » Application logging principles Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:58:29 +0000 http://www.thekua.com/atwork/2007/10/26/test-driven-development-requires-less-debugging/#comment-34718 [...] TDD reduces the need to debug, however it never removes the need entirely. Debugging is a useful tool during development that lets us discover information our logs fail to tell us. Unfortunately it’s rare that we can apply this technique when our code is in production, therefore notice what information helps you when you debug and add its equivalent to a log somewhere. [...] [...] TDD reduces the need to debug, however it never removes the need entirely. Debugging is a useful tool during development that lets us discover information our logs fail to tell us. Unfortunately it’s rare that we can apply this technique when our code is in production, therefore notice what information helps you when you debug and add its equivalent to a log somewhere. [...]

]]> By: tony http://www.thekua.com/atwork/2007/10/test-driven-development-requires-less-debugging/comment-page-1/#comment-2530 tony Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:01:45 +0000 http://www.thekua.com/atwork/2007/10/26/test-driven-development-requires-less-debugging/#comment-2530 What I also found when I moved to test driven development is that i did far less logging in my code, and eventually have gotten to the place where I only log events / details that would be of interest to an administrator of the application. Since I work in admin and development, i see the problem that arises from poorly thought out logging practices. Now, when I write log messages, i write them test first. A technique I picked up from Jeff Langr's excellent book "Agile Java". What I also found when I moved to test driven development is that i did far less logging in my code, and eventually have gotten to the place where I only log events / details that would be of interest to an administrator of the application. Since I work in admin and development, i see the problem that arises from poorly thought out logging practices.

Now, when I write log messages, i write them test first. A technique I picked up from Jeff Langr’s excellent book “Agile Java”.

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